Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Teresa Jeffs vs Natalie Malonis

Natalie Malonis, attorney ad litem for the poor little Isrealite girl, sixteen year old Teresa Jeffs,
is trying to make Willie Jessop pay her expenses (oh, I mean keep him from Teresa) She states:

“Teresa and I established a very good rapport from the start, and I felt that Teresa was forthright and honest, although a bit shy…..
Teresa was very pleased to see me, as were all of the girls placed there with Teresa. I have visited Teresa several times at her placement in Midland, and I had almost daily telephone contact with her. Teresa and I had a very good attorney-client relationship while she was in the States custody…”

But from Teresa’s point of view it was:

To the Judge:
“On Friday April 29, 2008 she [Natalie Malonis] stated in your court that I, her client, had a baby, and that I would not disclose to her whether it was a boy or a girl. I do not have a baby. She also said in open court that I was a victim of sexual abuse, which is NOT the truth …

"On the same day, she came to High Sky Children’s Ranch where I was detained with a group of fourteen other girls. Ms Malonis arrived there around 10:00 pm. She stayed in my room interrogating me until 1:00 am. She was very upset with me, yelling at me and talking very harshly against my family, saying that everyone was lying to her. I felt very intimidated and threatened by her. I would not look at her, and had no desire to speak to her. She told me very harshly to look at her, and wanted me to talk to her, but I would not because I knew that no matter what I said, she would not believe me, but would only assume that I was lying to her. It was a very unpleasant experience and I lost any confidence I ever had in her….
“…she told me that if she could get my Mother to agree with the restrictions put upon me, then I could go home… Ms. Malonis has said many times that my Mother agreed to this order, however my Mother was tricked into signing it in order to come and get me. Later I found that she did not have to sign anything…”

To Natalie she wrote:
“You let me call my mother on your phone while sitting there. While talking to her I could feel a perfect love from her. She asked me what she could do for me. I told her that I needed her prayers. I spent a little bit of time with her which I enjoyed. You wanted me to tell her all that you had said, but I had no desire to repeat that language, but wanted to set it aside. You then talked to her and repeated to her what you had said to me. I stepped out the door for a second, checking on the girls in the other room which was an encouraging sight, knowing that I had a friend in them. I didn’t want to hear much of what you were saying.

“I can’t describe the feelings I had at that time. I felt like the devil was trying to tear my heart apart.

“After mother hung up, we sat there for a good amount of time. Not a word was said. I layed on my bed with my hand in front of my face. I had no desire to speak, but wanted to be kind and forgiving. It got to be around 1:00 am. and I was one tired girl, feeling like I had been run through the wringer. You were tired also and finally got up to go. You told me you would come in the morning again to visit with me again and take me out to breakfast because we weren’t able to go to dinner that night. I wasn’t looking forward to morning at all. You asked me to walk you out to the door. I wanted to be kind and so I stood up, told you thank you and walked you to the front door. You stopped to talk to some of the staff and I left to go to my bed. Later on I heard that you had told the staff that you had had a very interesting conversation with me and that you wanted them to watch me closely and not allow me to be in my room for very long periods of time, but to call me out. I heard that you had said you were concerned about me and so on, which was silly to me for you to say that. You telling the staff that you had a very interesting conversation with me didn’t please me very much. I felt like that was confidential to me and they didn’t need to know about anything between my Ad Litem and I”

Later, after Teresa asked for a new attorney, Natalie wrote to the judge in her affidavit:
“Teresa and I had many discussions over the phone and through email. We once again had established a very good attorney-client relationship…

[Until Teresa was allowed to go to the Ranch, where Willie WAS NOT ] “Later in the day, I received correspondence from Teresa that she blamed me for her being subpoenaed to the grand jury and she expressed anger and hostility toward me”

And she wrote to Teresa( great attorney client relationship, move along, no threats here):
“Writing that letter to the Judge was about the most foolish thing you could have done. The Judge is now convinced that you are not able to make good decisions for yourself, and she is convinced also that your mother is not able to make proper decisions for you either Teresa, the Judge wants to take you back in custody and what's worse is that these poor choices may end up with your siblings back in custody if the Judge and CPS think your mother is not able to reign you in. The judge would probably not allow me to withdraw right now even if I requested it because the Judge sees me as the only person who is looking out for what is in your legal interests.”

After this horrific threat, Teresa wrote to Natalie:
“Natalie, quit all your lying about everything. You need to realize that I have a mind of my own and I can do things on my own if I choose to. I just want you to realize that I am not putting up with you any longer when you are acting this way and trying to make your name so great, saying to the whole world that you are “protecting Warren Jeffs’ daughter”. That is nothing great to do because I live in a happy family and I have been happy all my life until you and CPS have been so bothersome and nosy! Let me live a free life.
I want you to quit telling the whole world that Willie is making me do all this. Last I knew, he had gone to salt lake and I have had nothing to do with him in the last while. It was my own dear choice and idea to write to the judge and ask for a new lawyer. I wrote it myself and I took the time out of my day to do it. Quit blaming it all on someone else when you have absolutely no proof. No one can change my mind, not even Willie! But, I feel this way about you and I am hoping that you will be kind enough to leave me alone. It feels like you are trying to restrict me from every person in my life that I want to talk to or have anything to do with and you want to be the decider of what I do and who I have to do with.”

Because of these emails, in her affidavit Natalie wrote:
“This manner of communication was extremely out of character for Teresa and it was completely at odds with our prior discussions… [what does a false statement get you?]
“I believe that it was not Teresa who was communicating with me, and if it was Teresa I believe she was being coerced into taking a position that she would withhold information and avoid service of the grand jury subpoena.”

But Teresa actually said (anger and threat?):

“Quit worrying about me so much hoping that I have protection. If I feel like I need protection in one way or another, I will tell someone. I feel like I need protection from you right now! If you can believe such a thing! My attorney is going against my wishes. Maybe you need a restraining order that you can absolutely have nothing to do with me and you have to stay 1000 ft away from me! What do you think of that? I think that would be most wonderful.

“Please don’t feel bad. I just want to get this straight with you. Now don’t think that someone else is typing this note to you. I wish you were standing by me to watch me type it so I can show you proof that this is me all the way. Nobody told me to come and type this. In fact, I haven’t showed this restraining order to anyone yet. I am the only one that has seen it. I will show it to my mother as soon as I email this letter to you.

“Straighten up your back and realize that you cannot keep playing around with me. With the help of the Lord I will stand for the right, no matter what you or anyone else threatens me with. No one around me that loves me has threatened me that if I don’t stand for the right then they will do something to me. Never in my life have I been threatened so much until I had to do with you and CPS.

“Well, thank you Natalie for stepping aside. I am expecting it of you. Go live a happy, merry life! -Teresa Jeffs”

Who will win, the little Israelite girl, or the Gestapo?


kbp said...

Who is that Natalie?

*** A ***

Here’s Natalie’s claim to fame.

May 14, 2008

…CPS attorneys filed a notice of non-suit for Pamela Jeffs Jessop, the mother of 14-day-old Jonathan Jessop, releasing her from state custody after reaching an agreement with her attorneys.

"As far as we're concerned, it's been indisputable that she's not a minor," said Natalie Malonis, a Flower Mound attorney appointed to represent Jessop when she was considered a child.

Three days later, she’s still bragging on it.

May 17, 2008

…Jessop also was named a possessor and a conservator over her child, said her attorney, Natalie Malonis.

"It's a rather large victory," Malonis said Friday. "A possessor and a conservator under the family code has certain rights that, as far as I know, none of the other (FLDS) parents are enjoying right now. She has rights to information and rights to participate in the child's life — and those are enforceable rights."

But Jessop's battle to win custody of her two children is just beginning. As she sat in court, she was served with papers by a constable, notifying her of the upcoming status hearings for her children.

But we see it really makes little or no difference. The nursing mothers get their baby, the same battle stood for Pamela concerning her other children when the CPS reclassified her as an adult, AFTER giving birth. I’d imagine if we read any agreement, there was more signed away by the mother than the newspapers have to report to us.

Then the tide starts turning, a bit more information is evidently being shared.

May 19, 2008

…Family plans

Numerous family service plans obtained by the Deseret News are essentially identical, from the allegations of abuse to the requirements for the parents to be reunited with their children.

"Interviews with underage girls at the ranch revealed a pattern of underage girls being 'spiritually united' with adult men and having children with these men," the plans say. "The department's investigation has found an apparent practice of training young girls to submit to this behavior…"

CPS claims a large number of girls, ages 14-17, have children, are pregnant or both.

"Not every allegation applies to every family. It's going to vary from family to family," said Natalie Malonis, a lawyer for Pamela Jeffs Jessop, 18, who recently won some rights involving her newborn baby.

….There are at least 24 young women the state believes are minors, but the FLDS claim are adults. CPS recently conceded that Pamela Jeffs Jessop and another woman, 22-year-old Louisa Jessop, are adults. Both women's babies remain in state custody.

Louisa gets the reclassification Natalie fought so hard for in Pamela’s case, or, maybe it was not such a hard battle after all..


May 19, 2008

Make note of this date, as a SUPERSTAR was born. Ms. Natalie Malonis makes it on to the Nancy disGrace program, where any and all “persons of interest” are guilty. She didn’t get to say too much, but she is a star now. If she’d of had 2 more minutes, she’d have told the world how she’s going to teach ALL the children they are VICTIMS!

The Appeals Court puts a damper on the plans, so HER true colors come into focus!

May 26, 2008

… With that decision now before the nine-justice Texas Supreme Court and status hearings canceled at least through Tuesday, attorneys are now left to guess again what the state's elected judges will do.

"At this point, it gets pretty political," said Flower Mound family attorney Natalie Malonis.

Legally, Malonis said, she would not be surprised by a second reversal in the case, with the Supreme Court ordering the appellate court to vacate its opinion, which ordered Walther to vacate her April 18 ruling that the children should remain in state custody.

With an added opinion released soon after, the ruling technically affects just 41 of the roughly 160 mothers involved in the case and about 124 of the more than 450 children.

The appellate court's strongly worded opinion - which wiped out large portions of the state's case against the FLDS parents - was perhaps too strong, said Malonis, an attorney for a mother and several children in the case.

"Just looking at the ruling from the Court of Appeals, there are a lot of gaps," she said. "The Court of Appeals had some very strong language. I could see a (higher) court taking issue with it."

For example, she said, the three justices who issued the opinion - W. Kenneth Law, Bob Pemberton and Alan Waldrop - said the state presented "no evidence" of physical harm. In fact, a CPS witness testified at length during the April 17-18 hearing that children were at risk of hampered brain development under the authoritarian sect lifestyle.

Walther herself seemed to object to the ruling's arguments that the state should have presented evidence only focusing on immediate physical harm to the children, saying during a related hearing Friday that, "I believe it's in the statute" that emotional abuse should be considered.

This looks like someone is fighting the case for the CPS to me. Who is that “someone”? Does that show clearly what her position is, or was she just looking to be in the media, or both?

The experienced SUPERSTAR, she feels open to freely convicting suspects on the disGrace program. A kiss is “sexual abuse”? She’s just getting started in her effort HELP all children see that they are VICTIMS.

May 28, 2008

GRACE: Natalie, what, if anything, do these photos mean to you as you`re representing Pamela Jessop?

NATALIE MALONIS, ATTORNEY AD LITEM FOR FLDS MOTHER: …Now, you know, under the laws of the state of Texas, this is sexual abuse. So it affects every child.

What’s her goal here?

GRACE: Back to Natalie Malonis, if you had to choose right now, what do you do with the children that you are representing? What are you asking the judge to do with them?

NATALIE MALONIS: Well, if I had to make a decision right now today on the children I represent, I would have a great deal of trouble sending them back to their parents. I don`t think I could make that recommendation.

“Yes, that’s correct” to all disGrace said!

GRACE: But the state of Texas is not being given an alternative because they`ll be going back into homes where these systematic child bride marriages, abuse of little boys, broken bones, is ordinary.

MALONIS: Right. That`s correct. And one of the big problems in this case is that the victims really don`t consider themselves victims so they`re not -- it`s difficult to help them.

Lets just quote a few of her lines at disGrace discussing the SCOT ruling.

May 29, 2008

- The way that the opinion is written, it does give the trial court an opportunity to make other orders.

- I don`t think any of the children are going to be returned until the DNA tests come in.

- beyond that, there are a number of orders that the court can enter.

- I was very surprised to initially hear the ruling. (so she took time out to re-write it in her own mind!)

- Once I read the opinion, this is really a very middle-of-the-road opinion.

- I`ll say this. I don`t think any of the children are going back to the compound right now, and maybe ever.

- It`s saying there was not enough evidence at the 14-day hearings to keep every one of these -- children in custody.

- there`s a lot of evidence that was not presented in … (SECRETS?)

Now it’s time to take prisoners!

June 2, 2008

Natalie E. Malonis, a [attorney] ad litem who represents a child who is also a mother in state custody, has filed an emergency motion to prevent the return of her client, saying the court's order will cause "immediate and irreparable harm to the physical safety and welfare of the child."

The threat, she said, is because the female is an identified victim of sexual abuse.

… complaint “…because her client is a mother to a child in custody being cared for by another person."
…await the outcome of DNA results ..."


The article notes that all this fighting is to be reviewed in how many days from now? About NINE DAYS it looks like, if that “30 days” applies. Will we see an extension filed? LOL!!

OH MY!, A clue WHO Malonis has accused Teresa of having sexual relations with and giving birth to his child.

June 4, 2008

…the order, signed by Judge Barbara Walther, who is overseeing the sect case, bars the girl from having “any contact, in any form,” with Mr. Jeffs and another man, Raymond Jessop.

The girl’s lawyer, Natalie E. Malonis… declined to say anything about who Mr. Jessop is or his relationship to the girl, or how he might be reached for comment.

Yeah, right! NOTHING to say at this time, except…

Why has the story changed?

June 4, 2008

…The judge may impose additional restrictions, Ms. Malonis said.

"She was very concerned about, 'Will the parent be able to protect her?' " Ms. Malonis said of Judge Walther.

Ms. Malonis said CPS and law enforcement had evidence that the girl was sexually abused, though they don't believe she's ever been pregnant.

Is this a re-write? She doesn’t have a baby. But was SEXUALLY ABUSED (we just need enough time to convince her she is a victim!).

On the record for added protection?

June 5, 2008

…"This child is an identified victim of sexual abuse," Natalie Malonis wrote in court papers.

"It is ordered that the respondent shall prevent the child from being within 1,000 feet of the location known as 'YFZ Ranch' in Eldorado, Texas."

Here’s a quiz:

June 20, 2008

…sources close to the case have indicated that the girl is expected to be asked to testify before a Schleicher County grand jury, which next week will begin hearing the state of Texas' criminal case against FLDS members.

…''I believe that (the girl) was avoiding service [of a subpoena] because of coercion and improper influence from Willie Jessop,'' the request states.

Who is that “source”?

Convenient assumptions here, from the Victim Whisperer.

June 20, 2008

"Based on my dealings with Willie Jessop, I believe that he exercises a great deal of control over (the girl), and I am certain that he is interested in protecting the church's interests and the interests of certain influential male members as opposed to (the girl's) legal interests,"… Natalie Malonis wrote…

We get more media exposure, and a clue or two.

June 20, 2008
Malonis and Gawain [guardian ad litem] allege that Jessop has intimidated and improperly influenced the 16-year-old girl, encouraging her to seek a new attorney and to avoid service of a subpoena to appear before a grand jury next week in Schleicher County.
Malonis says in her motion the girl is a ''material witness with information relevant to a pending criminal investigation against certain male FLDS members.''
It also says that Malonis learned from Texas Child Protective Services and law enforcement that the girl had been spiritually sealed to an adult male just after she turned 15.

"From the tone and the content of the e-mail communication, I believe that it was not [the girl] who was communicating with me" or she is being coerced, Malonis said in the filing.

Clue 1. Gawain works for the Child Advocacy Center in San Angelo. Malonis must have a better chain of communication with her, and who that CAC gets it‘s check from, than she has with the CLIENT!!

Clue 2. We’re getting more Grand Jury information from the attorney ad litem than we can ever DREAM of getting from the Attorney General.

Clue 3. Teresa is “spiritually sealed”. Not sure what to believe of that, but the fact Teresa will turn SEVETEEN YEARS OLD soon, means the state couldn’t do anything about it if she decides she wants a baby then, UNLESS the state still has control of her. Solving the Texas teenage pregnancy, one step at a time, in the media.

More secrets the Attorney General can’t tell us!

June 22, 2008

A 16-year-old girl at the center of a legal fight has finally been subpoenaed to testify before a Texas grand jury investigating members of the Fundamentalist LDS Church…

the girl's court-appointed attorney told the Deseret News.

"Oh, Natalie, please don't make this case harder," [Teresa’s] e-mail says. "Shut your mouth up and quit calling me a victim of sexual abuse.”

Malonis said she still believes she can still maintain a working relationship with her client, and worried that the publication of the e-mails may have created a new problem by having the girl waive her attorney-client privilege.

And Natalie is fairly certain she can still help show Teresa that she IS a victim.

She could convince Teresa she’s a VICTIM, if Willie wasn’t so nice to her!

Jun 21, 2008

"I believe that (the girl) was avoiding service because of coercion and improper influence from Willie Jessop," the request stated.

More evidence of a victim that doesn’t know it, yet.

Jun 22, 2008

…"The most help you will be to me now is for you to step aside and let me get a different lawyer that I feel like can help me," Jeffs wrote in the e-mail.

…"I am so sick of being called that when I am absolutely not a victim of sexual abuse and you have no evidence to prove that I have ever had sexual relations," she said in her e-mail to Malonis.

Since I have 50+ separate media records of Malonis in my files, I was set back for a moment after reading this.

Jun 22, 2008

"I'm trying to help her," Malonis said. "It's really not in any child's interest to waive their attorney-client privilege. I'm not going to fight with her in the media."

Sometimes she must feel like CPS, child advocates agencies and judge walthers are the only ones that will agree with her.

June 23, 2008
Malonis and Tim Edwards, a San Angelo attorney who represents the girl's mother, have been working today to see whether they can head off a hearing.

"My thoughts based on what's happened the last few days," Malonis said, "is no one's willing to agree to anything."


June 24, 2008

"It's not that I hate the FLDS," said Malonis, "I'm doing my job. Each case is different."

"If (the girl) wants to have me removed or disqualify me, that's not a freely chosen preference."

To “confirm” something, somebody has to tell about it first. The question is WHO told about it first? Who appears to be in contact with ALL of the media?

June 24, 2008

Natalie Malonis confirmed to the Deseret News she has received death threats…

*****"I've been getting death threats and I am being provided a security detail," she said this morning. "That was not even at my request. Law enforcement recognized the need for it."*****

She has shown us she can trade hats, though she has been stuck wearing only CaPS since her first Nancy disGrace appearance, back on May 19th.

June 24, 2008

Malonis also is set to appear as a grand jury witness, according to attorneys for Annette Jeffs, the teen's mother - and part of the reason they tried unsuccessfully to get 51st District Judge Barbara Walther to disqualify Malonis as the teen's lawyer.
Malonis is "trying to wear two hats, which she can not do," said attorney Tim Edwards, which goes to the "very heart of the problem the court is facing today.

Cream on top!! An email response from Natalie to Teresa:

June 24

"Writing that letter to the Judge was about the most foolish thing you could have done. The Judge is now convinced that you are not able to make good decisions for yourself, and she is convinced also that your mother is not able to make proper decisions for you either Teresa, the Judge wants to take you back in custody and what's worse is that these
poor choices may end up with your siblings back in custody if the Judge and CPS think your mother is not able to reign you in. The judge would probably not allow me to withdraw right now even if I requested it because the Judge sees me as the only person who is looking out for what is in your legal interests."

And I thought it was a problem that Natalie was communicating too little with her client and too much with Gawain (guardian ad litem). Sounds like there is either too much communication between Natalie and the Judge, or she was a total liar in that email response to her CLIENT. Either way, it’s not good!

She sure has built up some momentum since finding the first reporter that would listen to her.

What we have witnessed in Malonis’ conduct, throughout her involvement in this case, has shown us a complete 180 degrees of transformation, from one that appeared to jump on board to help the families, into a person evidently working on an agenda that USES a client.

Who is she helping here?

(some updated links may no longer be available, sorry)

Anonymous said...

Oh dear,

Identity-itis has infected Natalie as well as CPS!

She could have picked up the phone and confirmed with her client whether the letter was written by her or not. She also had to option of meeting with her client in person. Instead, she chose to pretend to be woefully ignorant on an issue which any competent attorney would have cleared up with a simple phone call.

Pligchild said...

I don't know why, but this made me laugh out loud!!

"that children were at risk of hampered brain development under the authoritarian sect lifestyle."

Then I paused, and thought, perhaps they are right! How can I laugh at something so dastardly! I must have brain damage!

Anonymous said...

My goodness Al you can cut and paste.


The only hate I see is from flds cookie cutter websites.

The worm will turn.

Pligchild said...

Well, I don't hate you, let alone Nancy Malonis, or anyone else for that matter. I hope the very best for all.

I only hate peoples actions when they are trying to destroy others.

The worm will eat you alive if you don't learn how to forgive. There is no better feeling in the world.

Disciple said...

You know, one thing which fascinates me about these "anti-authoritarian" folks is their desire to COMPEL others to follow their lead.

Remember Voss's testimony? "...the little boys, the babies, the girls, what I have found is that they are living under an umbrella of belief that having children at a young age is a blessing and therefore any child in that environment would not be safe."

So Texas CPS takes the children with the obvious goal of "deprogramming" (i.e. "reprogramming" into the accepted "freedom" of the dominant culture).

Sounds pretty authoritarian to me.