tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post3336309198229916017..comments2023-03-31T02:47:04.827-07:00Comments on FLDS View: Expert'sPliggyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-21103606622452731492008-06-01T08:57:00.000-07:002008-06-01T08:57:00.000-07:00Yes it is possible and there have been men who hav...Yes it is possible and there have been men who have returned.<BR/> <BR/>Repentance is not an act, it is a condition. <BR/>Re- again<BR/>Pent (penitence)- humble prayer and obedience<BR/>Ance- continuously<BR/><BR/>All sin is forgiven with faith on the blood of Jesus Christ. But trust is not the same as forgiveness. Jesus' atonement will give us all the ressurection, but not all the highest heaven. Trustworthiness is much more than forgiveness. Atonement is repentance unto trustworthiness.<BR/><BR/>Some sins cannot be atoned for in this life, and no matter how repentant you are you cannot force others to trust you, especially the innocent. It must be done with great patience and care.<BR/><BR/>Although I know the man you speak of, and I do not look for or know his faults either; I can say that God knows his heart and mine and that is good enough for me.<BR/> <BR/>"Search your hearts and see if you are like God, I have searched mine and feel to repent of all my sins"<BR/>-Joseph SmithPliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-42162118366484858052008-06-01T08:15:00.000-07:002008-06-01T08:15:00.000-07:00Is it possible for a person, who has been disfello...Is it possible for a person, who has been disfellowshipped, to gain forgiveness and be able to return. Are there certain tasks that must be accomplished? In the case of -, he is a good man and no one can see any fault in him. Can he be forgiven and return?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-71741854539128281362008-05-31T10:12:00.000-07:002008-05-31T10:12:00.000-07:00D&C 121-35 Because their hearts are set so much up...D&C 121-<BR/>35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson— <BR/> 36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness. <BR/> 37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. <BR/> 38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God. <BR/><BR/>Not obeying the Ten Commandments, and the Laws given by Jesus Christ in the New Testament and the Doctrine and Covenants.Pliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-26474374489663028822008-05-31T06:21:00.000-07:002008-05-31T06:21:00.000-07:00Why would a member of the FLDS be disfellowshipped...Why would a member of the FLDS be disfellowshipped?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-70368714751521537222008-05-27T20:54:00.000-07:002008-05-27T20:54:00.000-07:00Laurene went back to her husband and the family ha...Laurene went back to her husband and the family has moved about quite alot. There is a arrest warrant out for Laurene right now, I think it was because she did not show up for a court date. She must be living in fear daily.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-21228805333450720972008-05-26T19:22:00.000-07:002008-05-26T19:22:00.000-07:00Laurene has had a tough go of it. She was molested...Laurene has had a tough go of it. She was molested as a girl by her father who was excommunicated and put in prison. Then her husband didn't always treat her well. He was disfellowshipped from the church also. <BR/><BR/>I do hope the best for her. I don't know her personally, but if she is associating with Flora, thats where she is getting many of her "facts". If she is saying "all the women", "they force" or "they hate" than you have to realize where it's coming from. <BR/><BR/>Where is the info found?Pliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-3484794517296865102008-05-26T18:03:00.000-07:002008-05-26T18:03:00.000-07:00What about Laurene Jessops situation? She shared ...What about Laurene Jessops situation? She shared quite a bit of information relating to the FLDS.<BR/><BR/>Was it valid information?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-91277852860939460082008-05-16T17:18:00.000-07:002008-05-16T17:18:00.000-07:00Please, tell me what is not, right here for all to...Please, tell me what is not, right here for all to see!<BR/><BR/>If you want to name names, my email is pligchild@gmail.com or you could post here and I will edit out the names.Pliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-78798808342661986082008-05-15T20:56:00.000-07:002008-05-15T20:56:00.000-07:00This Kathy Jo. I just read your comments about Fl...This Kathy Jo. I just read your comments about Flora, Caroline and myself. Some of the information about me is true and some of it is not. I would like to speak with you to find out who I tried to save and who my friends are. I believe I know who this. No one has referred to my mom as Aunt Kathy in a long time. It also sounds like you have information about my brother's death. I'm trying to come to peace with this. Can you let me know what you know. Please contact me at outofpolygamy@aol.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-65859743809575325932008-05-08T14:09:00.000-07:002008-05-08T14:09:00.000-07:00While I do not doubt some of their experiences, I ...While I do not doubt some of their experiences, I know that they are lying about most of them. <BR/><BR/>Really, they claim girls are forced to get married, boys and unwanted wives are dumped on the street, beating children is common, children can't get more than an eighth grade education, children are practically drowned to stop them from crying, children are practically starved to death while fasting, etc. They even say pathetic things like handicapped children are "disposed of", girls as young as 8 are assaulted, and "blood atonement" is performed. ALL of that is just plain pathetic, I feel sorry for them, or anyone who listens to that and believes it.<BR/><BR/>I dare you to go ask one of them: "I heard that half the children are partially blind from being forced to eat green eggs on Sunday" and see if they would not agree wholeheartedly. <BR/><BR/>The reason most people believe them, is most people already hate polygny, and the "prophet" doctrine. These women are just giving them what they are eager for, and what "we" WANT to believe about "them".Pliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-26783106261075621452008-05-08T13:09:00.000-07:002008-05-08T13:09:00.000-07:00For the first question, the answer is yes. She can...For the first question, the answer is yes. She can leave, but just as in any other family in America, the custody of the children may be disputed. The FLDS people love their children and would rather not have them raised outside the church. But mothers have left with their children many times. There have also been instances where a mother left her children in the church and left. One that I know has done this and visits once in a while. <BR/><BR/>Secondly, If they left the faith and their husbands they would be mourned, and treated kindly, and the father would want to protect the children. If you are wondering if they would be scorned, the answer is No. If you are wondering if they would be hunted, the answer is No. They would be missed, and the father would try to support the children and encourage the mother however he could. Everyone is not the same, but this is what I saw from the cases I witnessed. <BR/><BR/>On captivefldschildren, there is a questions and answers section where this is answered also.<BR/> <A HREF="http://www.captivefldschildren.org/Questions.php" REL="nofollow">LINK</A>Pliggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13093939505833710898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458658945502484148.post-2555644499073815152008-05-07T08:59:00.000-07:002008-05-07T08:59:00.000-07:00I've just run across your blog. Thank you for pub...I've just run across your blog. Thank you for publishing it and your perspective on this whole raid debacle.<BR/><BR/>I too feel and hear the bitterness of the few who left their FLDS upbringing that are "speaking out." All along I have felt there is another side to their stories that we never hear.<BR/><BR/>You said: <I>"There is no lie they will not tell, and no abuse that you could invent in your head that they would not agree with, when it comes to the FLDS."</I><BR/><BR/>I just want to relate my personal observations after hearing these women's stories, and ask a couple of questions. <BR/><BR/>My first observation is that often what cames out of their mouths purports to paint the whole FLDS with a broad brush; that <B>their</B> experience should be generalized to mean the whole membership experiences very much the same. I just cannot bring myself to believe that.<BR/><BR/>While I can't fault them for their feelings, their interpretation of their experience, nor their freedom of speech, it is just that and not to be construed as something that happens across the entire FLDS spectrum and experience. That seems only logical to me. <BR/><BR/>But one question comes up for me to which I hope you can give a clear answer from your standpoint. I've never seen it addressed anywhere else. <BR/><BR/>What are the options for a married-with-children FLDS woman. Can she freely leave <B>with</B> her children?<BR/><BR/>Also I wonder, about the following scenario. Let's say, there are some mothers (particularly plural wives) with children presently in Texas foster care who decide they want to leave the faith <B>with</B> their children (assuming they are released from foster care to their mothers). <BR/><BR/>If they did that, how would they be treated by the rest of the FLDS and especially their husbands? <BR/><BR/>I hope that last one makes sense. Perhaps I'll have other questions as I read through your blog. In any case, I look forward to your perspective.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06641839382204779139noreply@blogger.com